In response to the question regarding the origin of the word "telestial", here is an entry from the New English Dictionary (i.e., the 1st Ed. Oxford Dictionary of English, the ODE). I will reproduce the syntax as well as I can but some of them cannot be adequately reproduced as they are not in the ascii library. I'll do the best I can though. Asterisks about a word indicate italics. Odd characters will be transliterated, with non-alphabetical symbols being set off by tildes. All of the "c" before a number means "circa" and the number is the date of the text. Scans of the original text are available at: https://archive.org/details/oed9barch/page/n557 The cover page of the dictionary: ________________________________________________________________________ A NEW ENGLISH DICTIONARY ON HISTORICAL PRINCIPLES; FOUNDED MAINLY ON THE MATERIALS COLLECTED BY The Philological Society EDITED BY SIR JAMES A. H. MURRAY HENRY BRADLEY, W. A. CRAIGIE, C. T. ONIONS. VOLUME IX. PART II. SU-TH. SU-SZ. BY C. T. ONIONS, T-TH. BY SIR JAMES MURRAY, OXFORD AT THE CLARENDON PRESS 1919 All rights reserved. ____________________________________________________________________ Under the "T" section on page 146 is the following: ____________________________________________________________________ Tele, tel, *sb.* *Obs.* Forms: 1 tael, 4 tel, teyl, 5 tele. [OE. *tael* fem. (also *tal*: see TOLE) allurement. OTeut. *taela* str. fem., had app. some such general sense as `hostile or malevolent attack, persecution', which the specialized senses in the various langs. See also TELE *v.* 1. Evil speaking, detraction, calumny, blame. c 897 K. AELFRED *Gregory's Past.* C. xxxiii. 222 AElc dweora, & aelc ierre..& tael sie anumem fram eow. a 1000 *Gloss.* in Wr. Wulker 196/16 *Blasphemia, uituperatio*, tael. *Ibid.* 220/23. 1303 R. BRUNNE *Handl. Synne* 2042 But bogh a man sey neuer so weyl Vunto hys sawys men fynden teyl. 2. Deceit; enticement, allurement. c 1300 *Havelok* 191 he sholde yemen hire wel With-uten lac, with-uten tel Til bat she were tuelf winter hold. a 1450 MYRC *Par. Pr. 368 So with cha[r]mes & wyth tele, He ys I-brozte azeyn to hele. Tele, *v.* *Obs.* Forms: 1 taelan (telan), 2-3 taelen (3 (*Orm.*) taelenn, 3-5 tellen), 2-4 telen, 3-4 tele. [OE. (WSax.) *taelan* (Angl. *telan*) = ON. *taela* to deceive, betray, entice : - OTeaut. *taeljan*, f. *taela: see TELE sb. Cf. OHG. Zalon ( : - *taelojan) to rob, pillage.] 1. *trans.* To speak evil of, or to; to revile, calumniate; to mock, scorn, deride. c 888 K. AELFRED *Boeth.* xxxviii. ~s~ 3 1c wolde undeawas taelen & goode herian. c 890 *Laws K. AElfred* c. 37 Netael du dunne Drhyten. a 900 *Kentish Gloss.* in Wr.-Wulker 55/19 *Et detraxerunt,* and his teldan. *Ibid* 76/31 Detrahent telad. c 950 *Lindsif.* Gosp. John xii. 48 Sede mec telles [c 975 *Rushw.* teled]. 10.. *Glosses* (Cott. Cleop.) in Wr. Wulker 373/26 *Carpere,* telan. c 1160 *Hatton Gosp.* Luke xiv. 29 Ealle be hit zeseod aginned hine taelen [*Ags. Gosp.* taelen]. c 1200 ORMIN 2039-40 Ziff batt tu will taelen me be birrd ec hire taelenn. a 1250 *Prov, AElfred* 237 in O.E. *Misc.* 116 Byfore he be meneb by-hynde he be teleb. c 1490 *Promp. Parv.* 488/1 (MS. K.) Tellynge, or grochynge, *murmuracio.* 2. To deceive, entrap [cf. ON. *taela* to betray]. c 1325 *Metr. Hom.* (1862) 12 His [Christ's] godhed in fleis was felid Als hok in bait, quare thoru he telid The fend, that telid our fadir Adam. *Ibid.* 152 That he no haf miht us to tele With gastly dranc and wit darnele. 13.. *Metr, Hom.* (Vernon MS.) in Herrig's *Archiv* LVII. 276 But faste he fondeb mon to tele. Vre lord vs schilde from his teolyng. Hence Teling *vbl. sb. (also 3 teolunge, 4-yng, teliinge, 4-5 telyng, teeling), deception, sorcery, withcraft. a 1225 *Ancr. R.* 208 Sigaldren, & false teolunges, leuunge on ore & swefness & alle wichchecreftes. c 1315 SHOREHAM iii. 178 By-lef bou in no wychecraft, Ne ine none teliinge. 13.. [see TELE *v.* 2]. 1387 TREVISA *Higden* (Rolls) iii. 343 He triste on his endynge [*v.r.* enditynge] and tellynges [*v.rr.* teelingis, telyngs. tellyngys] as olde wifes used. a 1450 MYRC *Par. Pr.* 360 Wychcrafte and telynge. c 1480 [see TELE *v.* 1]. _______________________________________________________________________ Note the two scripture quotes above are John 12:48 (judgement to condemnation theme) and Luke 14:29 (mockery theme). Also note the rhyme from the circa 1450 MYRC: So with cha[r]mes & wyth tele, He ys I-brozte azeyn to hele. Thus, we have: Concise Oxford Dictionary, 8th Ed., Copyright 1991 Oxford Univ. Press /celestial/ <> adj. 1. heavenly; divinely good or beautiful; sublime. 2. a. of the sky; of the part of the sky commonly observed in astronomy etc. b. of heavenly bodies. ME f. OF f. med.L caelestialis f. L caelestis And, Concise Oxford Dictionary, 8th Ed., Copyright 1991 Oxford Univ. Press /terrestrial/ <>, <> adj. & n. adj. 1. of or on or relating to the earth; earthly. 2. a. of or on dry land. b. [Zool.] living on or in the ground (opp. /aquatic/, /arboreal/, /aerial/). c. [Bot.] growing in the soil (opp. /aquatic/, /epiphytic/). 3. [Astron.] (of a planet) similar in size or composition to the earth. 4. of this world, worldly ("terrestrial sins"; "terrestrial interests"). ME f. L terrestris f. terra earth And, from above tele, teles[tial] n. 1. Evil speaking, detraction, calumny, blame. 2. Deceit; enticement, allurement. v. 1. To speak evil of, to revile, calumniate; to mock, scorn, deride. 2. To deceive, entrap, betray. Related to teling (meaning deception, sorcery, withcraft). Note the decriptions of the telestial kigndom from D&C 76 follow this definition rather well. Thus, the divinity of caelestis is oppossed to the lowliness and vulgarity of teles. Yes, perhaps Smith was the first one to put the "-tial" on the teles, but he was by no means the originator of tele/teles any more than he was the originator of caelestis or terrestris. ========================================================================== The original triplet occurs in the Genesis Creation account. Gen. 1:6-10 6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. 9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. Each time God gives a name to the creations He has made and they are "Heaven", "Earth", "Seas". The sun, moon, stars triplet employed by Paul in 1 Cor. 15 has its origin in the Creation account as well. Gen. 1:16 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. The heaven, earth, seas triplet also appears elsewhere in the Scriptures: Exod. 20:4 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: The triplet occurs as "heaven above", "the earth beneath [the heavens]", and "the water under the earth". Isa. 44:23 23 Sing, O ye heavens; for the LORD hath done it: shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel. The triplet occurs as "ye heavens", "ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein", and "ye lower parts [depths] of the earth". The seas are not explicitly identified, but rather the depths of the earth. Psalm 148 1 Praise the LORD! Praise the LORD from the heavens, praise him in the heights! 2 Praise him, all his angels, praise him, all his host! 3 Praise him, sun and moon, praise him, all you shining stars! 4 Praise him, you highest heavens, and you waters above the heavens! 5 Let them praise the name of the LORD! For he commanded and they were created. 6 And he established them for ever and ever; he fixed their bounds which cannot be passed. 7 Praise the LORD from the earth, you sea monsters and all deeps, 8 fire and hail, snow and frost, stormy wind fulfilling his command! 9 Mountains and all hills, fruit trees and all cedars! 10 Beasts and all cattle, creeping things and flying birds! 11 Kings of the earth and all peoples, princes and all rulers of the earth! 12 Young men and maidens together, old men and children! 13 Let them praise the name of the LORD, for his name alone is exalted; his glory is above earth and heaven. 14 He has raised up a horn for his people, praise for all his saints, for the people of Israel who are near to him. Praise the LORD! All of creation is addressed from the lowest (v. 7) to the middle (v. 8-12) to the heights (v. 2-6). Paul also use the triplet in Philipp. 2:10. 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; Thus, Smith in emending 1 Cor. 15:40 to include "telestial" is not taking liberties with the text or creating some novelty. Neither the term "tele" nor the triplet had their origin with Smith. -- Kurt Neumiller kurtn@cybcon.com